The Wartburg Watch has an excellent article, An Ultrasound of Abuse, dealing with domestic abuse based on this comment from John Piper’s video below. (Does a Wife Submit to Abuse?)
“If it’s not requiring her (a wife) to sin but simply hurting her, then I think she endures verbal abuse for a season, and she endures perhaps being smacked for one night and then she seeks help from the church.”
*****From comment section of TWW: (I urge everyone to read all the comments to this article)
“….I have been in or around the Reformed, Patriarchal, Reconstructionist, and Homeschooling movements (and their various combinations) for nearly 20 years, so I am not speaking as merely an outside observer. I wish what I was proposing were not true, but I have personally witnessed it too many times to count. Reliable third-party evidence is legion to anyone who looks.
If a pastor confronts domestic abuse (or even identifies a behavior as abuse), it is essentially a challenge to the authority of a father/husband in his home. It means that there is an external standard by which the exercise of domestic authority can and should be judged and to which a man can be held accountable.
But this would also mean that their own use of authority in both the ecclesiastical and domestic spheres is subject to, and can and should be measured against an external standard.
Now, this is the one thing that must *never* be allowed to happen under any circumstance! It’s kind of a perverse version of “Judge not, lest ye be judged”. It is also why elders and pastors brought in to address an abuse allegation between a pastor and some part of his flock will inevitably, like clock-work, find in favor of the pastor, even in egregious and obvious examples of abuse.
Put bluntly, when you believe that the exercise of authority is the most vital element of the pastorate (or parenthood, husbandhood, society, etc.), then the exercise of authority must be protected at all costs.
Naturally, this is the the opposite of what the NT actually teaches about authority and its exercise. But that should come as no surprise to anyone who follows this or similar blogs….” (Comment by ThatBigDog)
*****“One thing to remember about the Piper video is that is was to answer the question, what should a wife’s submission look like in the face of abuse, or some such rot.
The question needed to be questioned, not answered.
When a husband is abusing, why should the wife, or the pastor, or ANYONE be concerned with whether she’s submitting or not?
The very fact that this question is being asked is proof positive that there is an over emphasis on the structure of marriage and the importance of wifely submission. It is an idolotry of form. The form and structure of the marriage is given more importance than justice and mercy.
There are far more verses warning about the judgement upon the strong who oppress the weak than there are on the form and structure and marriage. And yet the form and structure of marriage is far more important than justice for the down trodden to men like Piper.
Piper’s worship of the form, of husband and authority and wife submission, makes him desire to preserve the form at all costs and makes him believe that a wife verbally bowing and scraping to her husband is a beautiful and divine display of femininity, thereby maintaining the form in the presence of abuse. He looks upon it as a beautiful and great sacrifice on the part of a woman to maintain the form when going through the fire of abuse. I don’t think he’s saying it is required so much as he’s saying, any woman who can do this, maintain her submission, maintain her part in supporting the divine structure, that woman is to be praised and held up as a divine picture of biblical womanhood.
It is nothing short of sick.” (comment by Mara)
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