*Glenn E. Chatfield at The Watchman’s Bagpipes analyzes Bill Gothard:
Just one of the many problematic areas cited:
p.7 Item 4. [Gothard teaches] “The very foundation of the church…is the family.” This is wrong – the foundation of the church is Christ!
In the future Glen will post his analysis of the Advanced Seminar textbook, as well as some analysis of “Character Sketches”, be sure and keep an eye out for that.
*Dawn, over at Take A Look , has put up a video dealing with The Patriarchy Movement:
OR Can view video HERE with complete bio references
*Also, Dawn has provided additional information for us about Patriarchy and the Family Integrated Church Emphasis
Excerpt from article explains:
“The FIC movement is built upon the the principles of patriarchy. Patriarchy is a Greek word which means “father rule.” In essence, patriarchy teaches that the male in the family (i.e. the progenitor or originator of the family) has the inherent authority over – and the power to rule – the entire family. In short, patriarchy is the belief in male dominance. Bill Gothard spiritualized patriarchy by proposing what he called “an umbrella of protection” provided by the father for the entire family, and any family member who remains under the “authority” of the father is protected from harm. Gothard’s views express the the extreme logical conclusions of patriarchy within Christian circles….”
*Closingstages has a wonderful article encouraging us Take Heed! In this post called, The Great Divide: Taking a Closer Look a Who’s Really Causing the Divisions in the Body/Church? Besides dealing with the ones that are really causing division, we read:
“….Not only are we to weigh carefully, examine, one translation says “as in the forensic sense. “ We’ve all seen the shows today that have forensic teams that investigate and examine everything no matter how small or insignificant in order to get to the truth. It’s a lot of very hard work at times, most times actually, but the rewards we get out of it are beyond any labor or effort that we put into it. THE TRUTH, and anytime we discover truth, we grow and develop spiritually a little more and a little more….”
*Fernando over at Reformed- for His Glory says in, Spurgeon Is At It Again
“Who else, but the Spurg, will call someone that fails to preach sound doctrine from the pulpit a ” retailer of secondhand windbags?”
In this Lectures To His Students we find Spurgeon saying in this article….
“…..Unless we are instructive preachers, and really feed the people, we may be great quoters of elegant poetry, and mighty retailers of secondhand windbags, but we shall be like Nero of old, fiddling while Rome was burning and sending vessels to Alexandria to fetch sand for the arena while the populace starved for want of corn……”
*In the Hedge with David J talks about how Battling A False Teacher Is Not An Easy Task
“I really wish more Christians would stop and ponder Titus 1:7-16 a little more. If we accept this passage at face value, it’s easy to understand how it upsets the ecumenical “God is love” movement found in many of today’s churches. Discernment ministries are viewed negatively because they are deemed hateful and nonproductive when it comes to reaching the lost. The advice people who downplay biblical discernment generally give is,” Let God be the judge. Judge not! You are causing division! Lost people are watching us fight. You should pray for them in private and God will deal with them.”…..
*The Wartburg Watch has information up about The Washington Post Investigates Sovereign Grace Ministries
Kris, the owner of SGMS, says,
“Covenant Life Church recently posted a partial transcript from their August 17 “Members Meeting.” In the interest of free discussion, I thought I would post the transcript excerpt here, along with my commentary, which appears in blue.”
(Please read article in full to see pastor’s and SGMS comments-excerpt below) (ed note: Yes folks, you read it correctly….need answers?…Now accused of “Sinfully Craving Answers”….)
by Dee of The Wartburg Watch
I am leaving to bring my final child off to college. It is a bittersweet time. I wanted to continue in the series on psychology and the church but I have received some correspondence and would like to do some more reading in order to adequately present the various forms of “Biblical” counseling. So, we have decided to do this post instead.
People ask us, “Why SGM?” We follow their story with fascination because we believe that it offers all churches, in this day of the post evangelical thicket, many lessons. This group has ties to the old shepherding movement which did not die but merely changed it’s theological shell. This story involves authoritarianism, hubris, pedophilia, spiritual abuse and hundreds, if not thousands, of bodies left in the dust while leaders sought more and more recognition on the world stage.
Well, once you hit the stage, you have to be able to stand the perspectives of those viewing your play. You cannot say “Look at this” and “Don’t look at that.” People look and they see what is obvious to them. You cannot control them so it is important that you are able to stand the scrutiny. If you feel you need to hide it from observation, then you probably shouldn’t be doing it.
One of the most bizarre statements that I have ever read is this. When people have quizzed their SGM pastors for answers to legitimate questions they are dismissed with this statement. “You are sinfully craving answers.”
What? Is not Jesus the Truth? Did He not put in us a desire for the truth? This has to be one of the most bizarre and abusive statements that I have ever read. And I have a suggestion. Run, as fast as you can from any man who says this to you!! This is not Christian, it is the words of men who believe they are above questioning. It is a statement left over from the shepherding movement. It is abusive and wrong. Such men do not belong in the pastorate. Period!!!
Once again, i ask our readers to understand the trials that these families has been put through at the hands of men who appear to this writer to have a low emotional quotient. Such people should not be allowed to pastor a church. Rule Number One: Find a pastor who understand the heart of Jesus. Ask yourself this. Would Jesus have ever responded as some of these men have responded?
Warning: there are some statements in here that may drive people to extreme anger. I am still coping with it myself-you will see a couple of editor’s comments. I couldn’t help myself
All men who address the church are pastors and part of leadership in this SGM church.
Go back to main article (above) to read pastor’s and SGMS comments. (Emphasis by TRT
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